From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.uchicago.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!luth.se!skynet.be!skynet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader2.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: quest for pass-by-reference semantics in CL References: <2h6627rlr0.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no> <2hsn5araqe.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no> <3229347076995853@naggum.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3229449622411402@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 21:20:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 1020460823 193.71.199.50 (Fri, 03 May 2002 23:20:23 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 23:20:23 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:32779 * Erann Gat | So yes, you can take the blame for every omission and mistake of others | precisely because you have not filled in the gap or provided the | correction. If not you, then who? Not all cultures believe in the necessity of a guilt trip to get to Heaven. Sometimes, there simply is no one to _blame_, nothing to be or feel guilty for. Some cultures are evidently unable to deal with a lack of someone to blame and even go on to believe in religious figures who assume this role on behalf of others. Members of those cultures go on to _produce_ malevolence and misery with their fault-finding missions, where the designated blamee must bear the brunt for all the ills of the world. The Biblical story of the scapegoat is worth knowing and remembering for people who have to deal with members of such cultures. Reasonable people will reject these theories of blame, guilt trips, and scapegoats as inherently anti-moral instruments of abusive power, the likes of which have been expelled from the West ages ago, but which still causes wars to be raged in the region of their origin. Quit bringing your offensive blame and guilt crap to comp.lang.lisp. -- In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none. In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief. 70 percent of American adults do not understand the scientific process.