From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!skynet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader2.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: lisp as a mutiple team programming language? References: <3cc43709.353003565@news.eircom.net> <3228516470377013@naggum.net> <3228581014355790@naggum.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3228646660592791@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:17:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 1019657861 193.71.199.50 (Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:17:41 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:17:41 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:32265 * Software Scavenger | What specific implication are you referring to and asking about my | awareness of? This: | I'm starting to get interested in this subject because I've been working | with a lot of programmers from India, and learning what they're really | like as individuals. You clearly imply that _someone_ is not treating people as individuals. It is, in fact, possible to say something intelligent and accurate about cultures and communities without dumbing down your thinking to that of not treating people as individuals when you deal with individuals just because they belong to some group. Some cultures are bad and have good invididuals in spite of them, just as some cultures are good and still have bad invididuals in spite of them. But I digress a little. One of Yourdon's arguments was that the "India way" with CASE and other automated software generation tools would crush American programmers because of their much lower productivity with stone-age tools. From what little I have read of Yourdon's arguments, programming had become an assembly- line activity in India about a decade ago, and I have heard this from other sources, too, but not recently. I have absolutely no first-hand knowledge of this. I have even not received junk mail from what appeared to be software sweatshops for long time. /// -- In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none. In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief. Post with compassion: http://home.chello.no/~xyzzy/kitten.jpg