From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: lisp as a mutiple team programming language? References: <3cc43709.353003565@news.eircom.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3228516470377013@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:07:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1019527670 193.71.199.50 (Tue, 23 Apr 2002 04:07:50 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 04:07:50 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:32203 * Bruce Hoult | I had absolutely no idea that this was the case until I visited the US on | a short term contract in 1998. To my great shock I found that the | average programmer in at least that firm was ... incredibly average. And | everyone was so specialised and compartmentalised. Of course there were | *some* very good people there, but not many. And most of the best were | foreigners -- either asian or Russian. Has you or anybody else read anything by Edward Yourdon? Back in 1993 or so, I got a copy of his book «Decline & Fall of the American Programmer», but I found the little I read misguided and boring, so never completed it. Much has happened in the decade since this book was published.   In 1996, he published «Rise & Resurrection of the American Programmer» and seems to have reversed many of his predictions. In any case, he appeared to be ardent adherent of the kind of assembly-line programming that India in particular was famous for at that time. If any of his writing is still relevant, it would be insteresting to hear what people here think of his ideas. /// -- In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none. In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief. Post with compassion: http://home.chello.no/~xyzzy/kitten.jpg