From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nloc.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader2.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Questions about Symbolics lisp machines References: <3C9A12FC.8EC6D8CA@smi.de> <86pu1sfac8.fsf@kirk.localdomain> <87bsdctb3p.fsf@becket.becket.net> <3226103902356257@naggum.net> <878z8gufhz.fsf@becket.becket.net> <87k7rzfae8.fsf@nkapi.internal> <3226190036128798@naggum.net> <878z8efx14.fsf@nkapi.internal> <3226237222867767@naggum.net> <877knxelev.fsf@nkapi.internal> <87zo0tpr78.fsf@becket.becket.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3226275471536218@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:37:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader2.kpnqwest.net 1017286656 193.71.199.50 (Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:37:36 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:37:36 MET Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:30389 * Thomas Bushnell, BSG | Quite true. But Erik has said (which I agree with) that making a tool | available never decreases freedom, but can only add to it. (At least, | that's how I understood him on the thread of whether money is a | neutral thing or a good thing.) This is not quite what I said, but I agree with the conclusion. | So, similarly it seems to me, offering a gift (with whatever | restrictions) is not a decrease in freedom. If the restrictions are | really noxious, one can simply refuse it and be no worse off. This also applies to bad TV shows and to supporting organized crime like Microosft, but still, just turning it off and not purchasing their tools of mass destruction is not sufficient to curb their influence. /// -- In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none. In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief.