From ... From: Erik Naggum Subject: Re: Allegro CL 5.0 Win32 Date: 2000/02/17 Message-ID: <3159819164039342@naggum.no>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 587131804 References: <88e1bh$2ir$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <4C7AF620DF436092.095BE5DCC793D4D1.593A48AFDF2C5EAB@lp.airnews.net> <3159728504708010@naggum.no> <88fkvh$knn$1@news.campuscwix.net> <38AB66D6.AEB420D0@fisec.com> <38AC7048.D4DAB31D@fisec.com> <88htib$jj1$1@news.campuscwix.net> mail-copies-to: never Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eunet.no X-Trace: oslo-nntp.eunet.no 950830657 1088 195.0.192.66 (17 Feb 2000 23:37:37 GMT) Organization: Naggum Software; +47 8800 8879 or +1 510 435 8604; fax: +47 2210 9077; http://www.naggum.no User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 2000 23:37:37 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp * "Larry Elmore" | I simply stated that I think that something where the contract in | question is merely implied rather than explicit, as in a shrinkwrap | license, being able to legally forbid you from transferring the product | to someone else under any conditions at all is in my view unreasonable | and over the top. it's the willingness to break any licenses with which one does not agree that defines the criminal mind. moreover, such criminal attitudes is what makes it necessary in the first place to tighten up the licenses. in the absence of the criminal mind, licenses are much shorter and much simpler. if you conclude from this that Franz Inc in particular or the software industry in general has had a lot of contact with criminal minds, consider the attitude towards the "best" criminal mind around: Bill Gates. large fractions of the population consider him a hero, yet he has zero respect for law, contract, or license, and breaks anything he thinks he can get away with. this has led concerned people everywhere to become even more cautious about giving other criminal minds any leeway. the real target for your anger is Microsoft's business practices. don't take it out on any single company that tries to live in a world where Microsoft would steal everything they did if they had the skills to know how good it is. so if you retarget your complaints, maybe they'll have merit. #:Erik